Xenoforce Reborn

Level: 52

Previous Post removed: Issues with mod team.

I am not a team member, though I have donated assorted ROBOTECH and GUNDAM models that come from outside this community (I know the modelers quite well as one of the things I ask of them is any models used in my projects be community usable for other projects as anime ones are always short on models)..

I inadvertently advertised a private mod,not being informed on it's actual status so I am not allowing myself to get caught in the middle of it. My only status was as beta tester no other involvement.

The ONLY models I have ever extracted are HOMURA's after failing to reach him for over a year. He is credited and if he ever appears and requests I stop using them then I will of course comply.

However any remaining issues are between the Shockwave team and the New Xeno team. You know how to reach them so this topic is mute and I have edited it appropriately.

And Code Cat, I would watch that if I were you. I have done nothing wrong but bring to light an issue you were unaware of, instead you should be thanking me in the karmic sense. Had you actually read my posting carefully it would have been clear.

[Angry Edit] In fact every model I am involved with currently (or in the past) has never and WILL NEVER involve a member of the SW team or any other ZH or C&C3 team nor will need any of their permissions because the models that I work with, well THEY DON'T BELONG TO THEM!
(with the stated exception of Homura)

In my (6) years of modding now, there was only ONE incident of inadvertent mesh usage of an inappropriate nature actually attributed to me. Little Ludi (A German Trek modder) did not credit RAVEN NIGHT or ask his permission so I thought via Ludi's false email that I had open use (he had no right to give it!). RAVEN NIGHT (owner of the BC2 license) was quite irate when he saw the screenie of MY project with his USS SCORPION.

He requested it be removed as the real creator, and it was end of story. And that is the only dark spot on MY RECORD thank you very much! Raven Night does not hold that against me and explained he only denied use at that point cause it was a paid model he commissioned for BC2.

That should clear everything up - as far as I am concerned or my involvement.
I only made a point of this because reputation is all you have on the net and modding and mine is damn near sparkling (in Trek/FS2 circles) and I aim to keep it that way rightly so.

I do feel bad for the SW team as a member (guest 7) reminded me and I did bring it up in voice chat this evening.

I hope some sort of amiable resolution can be reached but that's between those two parties...

I hope this incident is not attributed against any of MY PROJECTS, but then again I have received practically ZERO help anyway (as far as C&C ZH goes) but I support every community I am a member of regardless of level of participation.

peace out.

On the plus side, Babylon 5: Earth-Brakiri War for Freespace2 will be released soon, I urge you to try it out when it becomes available not only cause I am one of the many voice actors, but because it's damn good

Suggestion: Mod should lock this thread as it serves no real purpose now...

All Around Good Guy

I'm assuming the Shockwave models are placeholders?

Level: 52

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Cameo Lord

i don't recall giving anyone permission to use my models and work.

Level: 52

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Inflatable narcoleptic hippo

Well either you stole them or EA did. In both cases, you're not allowed to use them without The_Hunter's permission.

Level: 47

I am sceptical
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and

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u144/ektufall/Shockwave95/China_BattleFortress.jpg

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and

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u144/ektufall/Shockwave_Others/USA_ExoSuitVariations.png

Level: 41

i may have shockwave mod now but i hate something else more and thats thiefs which you obviusly are hunter get that rusty spoon

Level: 50

Level: 49

Level: 52

I was willing to let that go, but you calling me a thief is like me calling you a rapist...
(Or worse) Saying that 9/11 was YOUR FAULT and I hold you personally responsible you f-er!!!!

[Note I am not calling you that, merely pointing out the stupidity of the statements... However if you were responsible for 9/11 please turn yourself in to the US Military immediately...]
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(now THIS part of the post may be out of line, but I feel it needs to be said):
If you are too ignorant to understand the English language, that's not my problem I blame the education system of your country. - I should really put that in my sig huh?

End of controversial part...
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Blaming me for a Mod team I am not a member of is like blaming XMAS for Halloween (as they are both holidays, are we are both modders than they MUST be equally guilty!).
I so see the logic now!!! God I must have been blind.

To Hunter and Shockwave team:
I am very sorry your feelings were hurt by the NEW Xeno team (note they have nothing to do with Homura!!! He did like 99% of his mod alone long ago and their actions should NOT reflect on him or HIS fine work!). From what I witnessed later in the chatroom apparently they WERE placeholders, but when your team members and Doug got into an escalating argument I knew it was going to end badly. I got the impression they are going to use them anyway now, and frankly I do see how you guys came at him pissed and in turn got him just as pissed and since that team apparently doesn't care about online communities it won't affect them (0nly the innocent suffer).

I have never seen them on any modding forum (and I suspect the merely found SW on moddb...) So I would hazard a guess they know nothing about this thread (or would even care)

I do of course! I care very much what my fellow modders think...

I stumbled onto their blog not long before posting this thread and only reposted what THEY mentioned... If that was 100% false, then how are regular forumites who vist it to know? No less be held accountable for it?

I got a hold of them and asked, "Hey your mod looks great, may I let other people know about your mod?" , Doug then said "Yea, go for it."

Their first mistake was using the units as placeholders and the posting PICs of them without a disclaimer. I would think that would have been counted as fair use (a unit that has the abilities they wanted, but did NOT have permission to release, and shouldn't) I made my feelings clear about that to Doug. But he's going to run his team and project as he wills, I'm just another modder with an opinion.

Their second mistake was not stating this was a "PRIVATE" mod not for mass release. Doug should have never encouraged me to talk about it, as I thought everything was golden and this was just another mod...

(So in other words they brought this on themselves.... So remind me, why the fuck do people think I'm involved?)

Lets talk real slow and louder, so the less capable can keep up: Apparently they did not understand my previous post...

I made like three posts around the net that day to spread the word and then this situation cropped up.

So now I hope the Shockwave team understands that while I did contribute my collection of ROBOTECH meshes from contacts I have (that have no affiliation with any of you),and that I in no way knew prior that they were doing anything unethical UNTIL you guys pointed it out.

I made a very neutral statement my first post because:
A.) I did not know which side (if either) were lying

B.) I had DL'ed the Shockwave Mod once and tried to run it (failed) downloaded the 95.c fix and still failed so I deleted the mod entirely and that was MONTHS before I saw the Xeno blog...

I had never looked into the files so i don't know what is or isn't in the SW mod... I don't even think i want to know how to solve the problem so it will run for me now. Maybe if I regain the ability to open .big files again I might re-DL the mod and look inside and see if there's anything I like and THEN let you know about it and ask for usage permission for some project I think up... (After all that's what I do...)

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The following is NOT applied to the SW team: [This is for the ignorant hangers-on who posted before thinking to ask questions...] If some of them are guilty of that I apologize cause it's gonna be harsh...

I have only extracted meshes from two mods related to Zh, the Original Xeno one, and the Battletech one. the BT one was so low quality (no offense to anyone) that Homura's totally eclipsed them so that is the only ZH resources FROM A ZH MOD I have ever used.

Unless you go outside the ZH/C&C3 communities, you have never seen any works or screenshots of MY MODS or even know they exist, so how would you KNOW what is or is not in them???

You don't smart ass, you've never seen or commented in any of MY THREADS, except this one, which was me sharing info of a new mod I FOUND.

Although unreleased, I've probably done more than you in the last 5 YEARS...
That's not really a valid point, just an ego thing i wanted to share...

Since 2004 I've also posted many screenies to support my fanfiction that directly related to my projects (still in progress), exactly how many complaints have I had since them.... ZERO... My 5 star story rating is still intact.

Odds are at least ONE of your members must be a SpaceBattles member also and would have noticed long ago if there was a problem or even a question...

So in short you know nothing about me, I made a post to share 3rd party info, and instead of going to the source and asking them some very pointed questions you jumped all over me like some reactionary idiot...

Shame on you!

I hope the more sane, intelligent members of the forum understand exactly what happened from my direct, blunt, and detailed post, and I suggest a mod close this thread (in fact it should be deleted), as it is irrelevant and only serves to promote an (ATM) unethical mod.

This should in no way affect any relations I have had or will have in the future here...
Although to date such interaction has been minimal... I have created no ZH or C&C3 mods (just a few ideas), and no one has posted in my threads for help on MY projects... Regardless I remain to share modding advice, and to learn more myself (as any typical forum member would)...

For the record though, since I did nothing wrong I would very much like an apology.
But even if I don't get one (even to say, NP dude we know the deal...), I'll still sleep at night...

Level: 49

Point taken. Sorry I misjudged you.

Level: 47

agreed with JJ. One should be more careful. Sorry i misjudged you.

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